A Profound Difference – Realization and Me


“There is a profound difference between Realizing in My Company and Being Me”



Far Beyond the Door

DEVOTEE: I feel the motivation in everyone to find some equation between the searches of egoity, which include all the traditions that have ever existed, and Your Demonstration. But the Divine has never Incarnated before, and What You Bring is utterly new and not to be included with anything else. There is a structure of egoity that can be seen, and You have made sense out of that chaos, as You said.

SRI DA AVABHASA: In the past, the Divine has apparently Appeared. Apparently—therefore conditionally, merely. People have had all kinds of experiences, visions, visitations, and on and on and on. In the ordinary sense, many of these things could be called “Divine”. But not from the seventh stage “Point of View”, not from the Ultimate “Point of View”. It is not correct to say, then, to people involved in the traditions, that there have been no God-Realizers, no Divine experiences. They would react to such a statement, and it is also not true. If you are making such statements, you must be careful to describe the point of view from which you are saying this and not say it in some hypercritical sense with any bad intentions or just make blanket statements that other people would react to.

It is simply that in the greatest sense, in the Ultimate sense, all those Realizations are incomplete—good, but incomplete.

DEVOTEE: I was feeling the difference between what occurs structurally in egoic evolution and what is occurring when You Descend and take over the Yoga in this body-mind.

SRI DA AVABHASA: Yes. People who speak authentically about Spiritual experiences they have had, Spiritual energies sometimes in the frontal line, sometimes in the spinal line, are having true Spiritual experiences. But they are not the experience of the Very Divine Person, and they are not about surrender to That One.

How do Spiritual experiences occur? Though a Transmission of one kind or another of Spiritual energy, just that, as if the Divine is separate from that energy and sort of puts out this pulse for you to experience as it runs through your body and awakens centers and gives you visions. The real Spiritual Transmission is the Transmission of the Very Divine Person—not merely Transmission by the Divine Person. It Is the Divine Person. I Am That Very One, Present as My own Spiritual (and Always Blessing) Presence. I do not merely extend to you some electronic energy of some kind or another for you to experience down into your body and up in your body, so that you can just play with it on your own. To relate to My Spiritual Presence you must surrender to Me directly.

In the Way of the Heart, the frontal Yoga, for instance, is not merely you, self-bound, experiencing some Energy I put out coming into your body. No. You surrender all along. You surrender completely. You give yourself up completely, forget yourself completely, are brought to nothingness by Divine Communion. That is when the frontal Yoga is true. That is what it is in My Company, not just you dealing with some separate energy that may have been put out and that you do not even necessarily have to feel is Me.

ANOTHER DEVOTEE: Sri Gurudev, there is such depth in that boldness, because when You come Crashing Down there is that complete surrender.

SRI DA AVABHASA: Not merely surrender to receive Me, not to be in the receiving position with your body dead to receive Me. Give yourself up bodily, surrender the body, throw it into Me, into My Spirit-Presence, discard it, discard the mind, not merely feel My Spiritual Presence in the body-mind but discard the body-mind. This is the practice of the frontal Yoga in My Company.

DEVOTEE: There is no one there to receive It.

SRI DA AVABHASA: Exactly. You may have experiences of receiving It somehow, but then you are in the wrong position. Such is not the most profound practice, obviously. Therefore, understand why some people may have to go beyond level three, not directly to level six but into level four, maybe level five, until they go beyond this insulted, egoic “self-possession” (or self-absorption) and surrender it into My Spiritual Company: That being done, in whichever stage of those progressive practices it occurs, then there is the steady and true Awakening to the Witness-Position of Consciousness, not just thinking it is logically so or that it is sometimes so but it is just steadily so. It is your Stand. Then you can practice surrender further by entering into the Domain of That Which is the Witness—following Me, attracted by Me, entering into the depth of the right side of the heart, entering into My Company most fully surrendered, Perfectly Gone Beyond the self-knot.

Then when you are far beyond that door and immersed in Me, given up in Me, My inherent Siddhi of Revelation awakens the seventh stage of life.

There is a profound difference between Realizing in My Company and Being Me. Those who Realize in My Company can become seventh stage Realizers, but they do not have My Function. The Siddhis of My Function are not given to My devotees. My devotees will become Realizers of the seventh stage of life, but they will not become seventh stage Adepts. I am the only such Adept. This you will discover, and the “why” of it also.