The Physical Presence of the Guru

Franklin Jones (Adi Da Samraj), 1973

Franklin (Adi Da): Does anybody have any questions tonight? No question? I knew real estate was the topic for tonight.

My experience whole last year. So, whenever I ask if anybody has any questions, nobody has any questions. And yet all the time people had the most incredible problems in this ashram. One time I said, if there are no questions how come to somebody’s problems? Why is it that there’s, everybody’s got so much difficulty with this work.  When I ask if they’ve got questions and nobody’s got any question, how could there not be any questions? Are there really no questions? I don’t believe

Student: They fall away in your Presence.

Franklin: Well, all that is very true, but then that same Presence should be operative for these questions all the rest of the week.

It’s true. If you, if you live in Satsang all the time, then these questions continually dissolve because there are no answers anyway.

There’s no answer in the universe because the universe is not in the form of a question. It’s really questions are inappropriate. But until you realize all of that, you’ve got nothing about questions. So you have to ask them so that they can be confounded in Satsang.

It’s true when you sit with the Guru, truly, in Satsang the mind dissolves, it’s undermined. You tend to fall into the Heart. You fall into the quality of the Heart. You don’t necessarily consciously live the Heart yourself. And essentially people don’t because as soon as they move out of the obvious Presence of the Guru, the mind is restored.

But once the principle of Satsang is truly lived and the mind is constantly falling apart, it has no capacity to survive in the Presence of the Guru. He lives in the Presence of the Guru all the time then the mind dissolves and the questions dissolve. And the reason the questions dissolve is because the dilemma dissolves.

All questions are just expressions of the dilemma. All questions are in the form of a dilemma. Some people live as a question. They live life as if it were a question. They’re always looking for meaning or an answer or something, or if humanity is always looking for the meaning of it all, that’s a lot of nonsense. There’s no meaning to be grasped. That’s only a principle to be undone.

When that principal dilemma is undone. It’s no answer. There’s also no question. There is the fundamental Reality. And it is obvious, That’s really very valuable observation to notice it in the Presence of the Guru questions dissolves they seem unimportant the mind doesn’t really become attached to all kinds of dilemmas. It’s good to realize that, but you must begin to grasp that principle that’s alive and Satsang. So it’s always operating. Otherwise you’ve got to somehow have the Guru travel with you 24 hours a day to keep your mind in your pocket. But he can’t do that with human Guru, the apparent physical form of the Guru can’t follow you everywhere.

But that one, what the Guru truly is, is always with you, you must begin to grasp the nature of Satsang. And when you do, it’s the same thing as coming into the actual human Presence of the Guru. The mind just falls apart and the phenomenon of the spiritual process arises spontaneously.

It’s not that you must develop some sort of technique for remembering the Guru in some artificial way. You must truly be present with the Guru and the Guru must truly be present to you. You know that that is occurring. You are identified by certain signs, which are that the mind falls apart in the Presence of the Guru. So when you’re not in the Guru’s physical Presence, you notice that the mind is falling apart. You’re in Satsang, when you’re not in the physical Presence of the Guru, you don’t experience this dissolution, the spiritual process all the time. You’re not in Satsang. And all of the remembering of the Guru that you can turn on will be useless.

Until the principal of Satsang itself is established until you find the Guru always.  It’s easy enough to find the Guru when he’s standing in front of you, sitting there talking and doing obvious things that the senses can recognize. So it’s a way of… by contemplating the human Guru you are actually concentrating on the Perfect Nature. The Reality that is the Guru truly.

So the human form of the Guru is an instrument of meditation because you can find the true form of the Guru through that Presence, that obvious form. So it is a grace it’s given, it’s obvious the human form of the Guru. You don’t have to do very much to find him. And by openly remaining with him, when you are present with the Guru you contact the Perfect form of the Guru and the mind dissolves. But when you’re not in the Guru’s physical Presence, he must be more adept. You must have understood something, learned something so that you can find the Guru when he’s not physically present. And when you find him, when he’s not physically present, you notice again that the mind falls apart. But if you haven’t truly found him just thinking of playing your number, whatever it is, and the mind will not fall apart, regardless of how much thinking about the Guru you do

Guru is present as the Perfect Reality as the Heart. And it tends to make all things like itself. So when you’re in the Presence of the Guru, you take on the quality of the Heart. The mind falls in the Heart. The purpose of the human Guru truly is not to make it easy for you to find him. The purpose of the human Guru is to establish the principle of Satsang independent of his physical Presence, because his physical Presence is mortal, temporary. It doesn’t go on and on and on.

So it must be used for its appropriate purpose, which is to establish true Satsang in the world. Not to just make it easy for a relative few, by contemplating the Gurus physical form to enjoy the influence of the Heart.  Because that’s only temporary just by coming and sitting with the Guru with some quality is generated in people and they become addicted to that contact and they make an idol out of the human Guru.  Because what they notice whenever they make that contact that things occur in them that are very pleasurable, but he’s not Present to become an idol. He’s here to instruct to transform the tendencies of life so that Satsang can be lived all the time by everybody. At least if they’re inclined to, independent of his physical Presence.

So this is why they’re all of these different forms of the relationship to the human Guru, that disciples enjoy and have brief contact and then separations in various lengths of time.  Because the Guru was always testing his disciple to see if his Guru can find him when he’s not physically present. When his disciples able to find him always then the Guru is satisfied. His function has been fulfilled. And this in a sense frees the Guru of his own mortality because the function of his mortal Presence has been fulfilled and now it is no longer necessary. When his disciple has tend to live independent of the physical Presence of the Guru. Not that all of a sudden he does not interested he thinks that this physical Guru his human Guru is a lot of jazz and illusion or something like that. It’s simply that the principle alive and the human Guru is omnipresent for the disciple. And just increases the intensity of his respect for the human Guru.

Invariably, we find that when such a Guru appears in the world, begins to teach and He becomes the center of this group, he becomes the cultic object. And then after his death, that human image remains the cultic object of his teaching. Instead of true Satsang. In fact there was no Satsang. People just continue with the imagery and it becomes religion, enthusiasm without understanding without the spiritual process truly occurring.

This material that I wrote and sent down to the ashram last week, I mentioned that the Guru prepares people to live that Satsang which they could have enjoyed even before his human appearance. That’s the true form of Satsang, not the cultic form of Satsang, which is the ritual enjoyment of the impression he left as a human teacher.

The human Guru is an instrument of that true principle.  After his death of course, it’s useful to remember him, to honor him but not in the cultic way, not independent of true Satsang.  But in order for that to occur there must be people in his lifetime who have actually found Him and begun to live Satsang with him independent of a particular appearance that he generates.

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